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republicans on the so-called fiscal cliff. the president himself tweeted out plans for the q and a a short time ago saying he'll answer questions about the cliff, his proposal and pending tax hikes on the official white house twitter feed. press secretary jay carney insisted the white house is still optimistic it can reach a deal with congressional republicans. >> there has been progress, and we can achieve a bipartisan agreement. the obstacle remains at this point the refusal to acknowledge by republican leaders that there is no deal that achieves the kind of balance that is necessary without raising rates on the top 2%. >> and there are just 29 days to go for the two parties to find some sort of middle ground, and joining me now from the white house nbc news correspondent kristen welker. what's the back story on this it twitter q and a for the president, which should start any minute now? >> reporter: that's right. this is part of president obama's full court press to get the public on board to pressure republicans to sign on to his plan to increase taxes for those making $250,000 or mor
averting the fiscal cliff, but he's just not talking to house republicans about it. at the white house, he discussed the issue with a bipartisan group of governors. >> i know that the president wants a deal and he didn't try to handicap it. >> reporter: earlier this week, he told so-called middle class americans on twitter, keep pressure on congress. he's even ventured outside the beltway rallying supporters to do just that. >> i'm going to be asking for you to be making your voices heard. >> reporter: why isn't he calling speaker boehner? >> we speak frequently. >> reporter: when will the two of you sit down in a room? >> i don't think the issue right now has to do with sitting in a room. >> reporter: in part, the white house was burned with the negotiations in 2011 when lots of meetings failed to stave off a fiscal nightmare. but there's another strategy at play. some in the administration say they learned in the first term the best way to break washington stalemates, rally the public to their cause. here's how the president put it to cbs news. >> so getting out of this town, spending mo
. >> thanks. >>> now for more on the fiscal cliff, the white house is daring republ republicans literally to blink pushing a plan with few, if any, concessions. the president will make his case later today. with me now from the democratic side is new hampshire congresswoman elect carol porter who is returning to congress after losing her seat in 2010. thank you for joining me. i want to start with this. in 2010 you found yourself on the wrong end of a wave election. people blame barack obama and the state of the economy, health care, what have you. now in 2012 you come back and you beat the guy who beat you and you're back, soon to be, in congress. tell me what lessons you learned in 2012? what was in your mind in a swing state of new hampshire the 2012 election about and what does it carry forward? >> well, first, let me say in 2010 there was a lot of misinformation about health care and about other issues we were voting on. and so people were understandably frightened and now as the health care law is being carried out they recognize that this is a very consumer friendly law. and so tha
to the fiscal cliff. timothy geithner on the president's offer to to republicans followed by a response from grover norquist. >> we're trying to make it more likely we come together on a good agreement for the american people that extends tax cuts for the middle class. >> do you think we'll get a deal by the end of the year? >> i do. the only thing standing in the way of that would be a refusal by republicans to accept that rates are going to have to go up on the wealthiest americans and i don't see them doing that. >> if the president doesn't stamp his feet and get his way, he should get into a room and negotiate. instead of hearing rhetoric, that was show, no economics. let's have it in front of c-span cameras. . if the republicans are being reasonable, we'll see that, if they are not, we'll see that. >> joining us is reporter for politico. ladies first. did anything that you just heard suggest we're any closer to it an agreement? >> not really. the white house has put forth this plan, this proposal. congressional republicans, house speaker john boehner rejected it. he was flabbergasted by
it's better than 6-6-6. >>> are we seeing the start of a republican retreat on the fiscal cliff? you're watching "hardball," a place for politics. >>> back to "hardball." u.s. congressman tom cole of oklahoma signaled republicans should accept president obama's tax offer. earlier today the president made note of it. let's listen. >> i'm glad to see, if you've been reading the papers lately, that more and more republicans in congress seem to be agreeing with this idea that we should have a balanced approach. so, if both parties agree we should not raise taxes on middle class families, let's begin our work with where we agree. >> congressman, thank you for joining us tonight. give us your thinking about why it's important, i know politically it makes sense to many people, middle class, people making up to $250,000 a year, get the tax cut continued but people above are basically decoupled from that much larger group of people. >> well, chris, i don't think taxes ought to go up for anybody. i think it's bad economic policy. it will eventually cost us jobs and eventually slow the economy.
the country will think republicans are to blame if we go over the fiscal cliff, six out of ten voters in november said the tax rates should go up, how much longer can he afford to politically keep this pledge and he said look, you heard it there, the rates when we close the revenues, loopholes will go up on the rich people. that still is the mindset. what's interesting, is talking to republicans leaving the house conference gop conference this morning, there is a lot of support for speaker boehner. there aren't cracks like there were during the debt limit where he had a faction that was lining up against him wholeheartedly. even after yesterday we heard all the stuff of fallout from the conservative right against his position, that conference this morning was pretty supportive of speaker boehner and seem to be -- say something we say way too often here in washington, d.c., doubling down on the speaker's approach, at least here in early december. >> everyone seems to be doubling down, luke. i mean the idea that now nobodies's moving at all. i thought it was interesting that boehner is
boehner and house republican leaders talk about fiscal cliff negotiations. he says he is optimistic a deal can be reached with the president. >> morning, everyone. going over the fiscal cliff will hurt our economy and will her job creation in our country. republicans are committed to continuing to work with the president to come to an agreement to avert the so-called fiscal clef. one reason why we believe that we put revenue on the table as long as it is accompanied by serious spending cuts to avert a crisis. we believe this is the president's request for a balanced approach to this issue, and we are going to continue to work with the president to try to resolve this in a way that is fair for the american people. we all now that we have had the spending crisis coming at us like a freight train. it has to be dealt with. in order to try to come to an agreement, republicans are willing to put revenue on the table. it is time for the president and democrats to get serious about the spending problem our country has. i am optimistic. we can continue to work together to avert this crisis, sooner
cornyn, republican from texas, saying apparently the president wants us to go over the fiscal cliff. this is serious business, demanding higher taxes, more stimulus, no spending cuts and no plan to preserve and protect social security and medicare will not solve our fiscal crisis. it will make that crisis much worse. what is your response to cornyn's reaction? >> well, i would say to senator cornyn, where have you been? we've just had an election. the people had a choice between mitt romney and president obama who said let's have a balanced plan, and let's give tax cuts to the middle class. what is he talking about? this is about tax cuts. the president is saying, renew the payroll tax cut. give tax cuts to every dollar earned up to $250,000. i don't know what they're thinking, thomas. but obviously, they are putting it all on the line for the koch brothers and sheldon adelson who earn billions of dollars. they're selfish. and there's a group called patriotic millionaires who are saying please, please, tax us fairly. and here's the point. the president is saying to the millionaires
ground on the fiscal cliff? oklahoma's tom cole, a member of congress says the grand old party should take president obama's view, extend bush tax cuts for all but the top 2%. that's a sign some republicans may be open to higher rates for the rich. >>> is it possible negotiators could learn something from the most important movie out there right now "lincoln." doris kearns goodwin joins us. >>> let me finish with how lincoln outlawed slavery for good and how he did it using politics. this is "hardball," the place for politics. that's one smart board. what else does it do, reverse gravity? [ laughs ] [ laughs ] [ whooshing ] tell me about it. why am i not going anywhere? you don't believe hard enough. a smarter way to shop around. now that's progressive. call or click today. [ grunting ] >>> how's this for irony? mitt romney has finally captured 47% of america. remember this video that sunk the romney campaign? >> there are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. 47% who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe they are victims, who believe
, more about the fiscal cliff with republican representative tom cole from oklahoma. then the head of fema testifies on capitol hill about the government's response to hurricane sandy. and later, senate debate on the u.n. treaty for the disabled. ♪ ♪ >> this weekend on c-span3's american history tv, follow harry truman easeleddest grandson to hiroshima as the city prepared to mark the bombing of the city in 1945. >> you know, everybody has their own view what happened, and i, i don't, i don't want to argue survival with anyone in japan about the history. i think we're past that. my whole purpose for being here is to listen, to honor the dead, to listen to the living and to see -- to do what i can to see this doesn't happen again. >> clifton truman daniel will join us sunday at 9 p.m. eastern on c-span3. >> now, a discussion of how the military and national security might be affected by spending cuts scheduled to take effect the first of the year. part of the so-called fiscal cliff. former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, admiral mike mullen, was joined by the chairmen of
shows republicans will take the blame if a deal isn't reached and we go over the fiscal cliff. 53% say it's on republicans. half that, 27%, will blame the president. this is progress. this is change. if president obama can break republicans on tax increases, this could redefine american politics. it would help to change our politics in very important ways. and who knows what else may be possible. joining me now is krystal ball and richard wolffe. thank you for being here tonight. >> thanks, reverend. >> thanks, reverend. krystal, how big a moment will it be if the president gets the republicans to cave on tax increases? >> i mean, it really is sort of hard to understate how significant that would be. it would es seshlgsentially mar end of when george w.h. bush led taxes. we had the contract for america. that in some ways was the precursor of the tea party and this very extreme rhetoric, us versus them rhetoric, where rather than talking about nuance differences between positions you call the president's health care bill socialism and yell about death panels and caricature things. that
, the white house plan to avoid the fiscal cliff to congressional leaders, and republicans, laughed in their faces. literally in the case of mitch mcconnell. >> the plan calls for $1.6 trillion in new tax revenues, $400 billion in cuts to medicare and other entitlements, $50 billion for a new stimulus, and republicans really didn't like this one, congress would have to give up control over raising the debt limit. we want to bring in now the recently re-elected house minority whip maryland congressman steny hoyer, democrat from maryland. nice to see you this morning. congratulations on the re-election. >> good morning, and thank you. >> so earlier this week we had tom foley republican offer a compromise on the position here. you had many republicans, several coming forward and saying there is a way out here, we are willing to give a little bit on taxes. you had wall street optimistic that there was an aura of compromise here. and then this is the plan that the white house puts forward. in some ways, moving the ball even further away from what the republicans were asking for here. is
to continue the conversation on fiscal cliff. this one republican has really been making news with this -- we'll call it an outside the box idea to avoid at least part of this fiscal cliff. he is suggesting to extend the bush cuts for the 98% of americans right now since at least both sides agree that has to happen and then haggle over the top 2% later. >> the republican in the middle of this all is congressman tom cole from oklahoma. congressman cole, speaker boehner and others have thrown cold water on this idea. let's clear this up right now. you still stand by this notion, pass the tax cuts for the 98% right now, deal with the 2% after the new year but essentially let those da tax breaks for the top 2% expire? >> i do think where we agree on 98%, we should take that off the table so americans don't have to worry about that. that actually strengthens our position. at the end of the day it's a discussion amongst republicans over tactic, not a division or debate. the president would be well advised if he's serious to actually bring spending cuts and entitlement reform to the table. we haven'
. >> tonight, richard wolffe on today's nonsense from republicans and where a deal on the fiscal cliff stands. and former health insurance executive wendell potter on what obama's proposed $340 billion in medicare cuts will mean for seniors. >>> vice president joe biden stumps for the middle class at a retail store that treats its workers right. i'll talk costco and fiscal cliff with steve greenhouse of "the new york times." >>> plus hostess executives tank their company and cost the people their jobs. so why are they still demanding millions of dollars in bonuses? >>> and we'll tell you how senator john mccain fits in with congressman louie gohmert's latest conspiracy theory. >> this administration sent planes and bombs and support to oust gadhafi so al qaeda and the muslim brotherhood could take over libya. >>> good to have you with us tonight, folks. republicans are walking tall in public but hanging their heads behind closed doors. john boehner struck a defiant tone during a news conference today. he blamed the president and democrats for stalling negotiations on a debt deal. >> despite t
republican to endorse the president's version of a compromise on taxes to avoid going over the fiscal cliff. oklahoma congressman tom cole joins me next. first, a look ahead at the president's schedule. one big thing on the schedule today that everybody is fairly interested in. that's that lunch with mitt romney. we're told no cameras. we'll see. we of the white house press corps officially protesting. we'd like to force them to let there be some official fourth estate coverage of this historic event. we'll see if they grant it. you're watching "the daily rundown" only on msnbc. a winter wonderland doesn't just happen. it takes some doing. some coordinating. and a trip to the one place with the new ideas that help us pull it all together. from the things that hang and shine... ...to the things that sparkle and jingle. all while saving the things that go in our wallet. more saving. more doing. that's the power of the home depot. get fresh cut savings. live trees are arriving weekly. [ man thinking ] oh, this gas. those antacids aren't working. oh no, not that, not here! [ male announcer ] an
prepared to work with our republican colleagues to make sure we do with the rest of the fiscal cliff. that would take $900 million of the clifford now. look a round here. consumer confidence is growing. the last thing we need to do is- that by not extending the middle-class tax cuts. thank you for shopping with me. thank you very much. >> president obama hosted mitt romney for lunch on monday. gov. romney is said to have congratulated the president and the two ate lunch and had a discussion that lasted an hour. >> congressional historian norma rnstein explains why congress is pursuing. >> the program began, he was when the the advises, to document the conditions under which people were living. this was when we did not have television. we had radio, but a lot of places didn't have electricity. they cannot listen to the radiobroadcast. an economist from columbia was the head of this project. 1939 when kodak introduced color film, they sent found to have as photographers try out and see what they could do. kodak was trying to establish a new market and product. they wanted people who wo
to speak to republicans last night at the reception here about the fiscal cliff? >> i won't read out conversations. the president and first lady met with scores and scores of lawmakers last night as is the norm in a situation like this, but i'm not going to read out individual conversations. >> [inaudible] >> i've seen a report that speaker boehner was not part of the receiving line, but the president has conversations with speaker boehner with some regularity and looks forward to speaking with him again. >> last question then. both sides have given their proposal. you said what you need to see from the republican side. what, in terms of process now, is the next step? >> well, conversations continue between our team and lawmakers and their teams. the president will have conversations as well. i don't have any to preview to you or read out to you, and the conversations will encompass not just leaders of congress, but business leaders and civic leaders and governors and others who have a stake in the process and the outcome of the negotiations, but as secretary geithner said over the w
or better outcomes. >> this weekend, you can talk with senator tom coburn about the fiscal cliff and the future of the republican party. the senator has written several books and reports, including the latest, "the debt bomb." live sunday at noon eastern on c-span2. >> the authors of the simpson- bowles debt reduction plan talk about the fiscal cliff and choices facing congress. both alan simpson and erskine bowles have emphasized the need for revenue increases and entitlement reform. they have urged congress to reach a compromise. this is hosted by the "christian science monitor." >> here we go. our guests this morning are erskine bowles and senator alan simpson, co-chairmen of the national commission on fiscal responsibility and reform and co-founders of the campaign to fix the debt, or as the "new york times" called them this morning, the debt duo. their last joint appearance with us was in november of 2010. let me thank them both for coming back. we are all trying to fix the nation's fiscal woes. erskine bowles is president emeritus of the university of north carolina. he als
to reach out to republicans in order to avoid the fiscal cliff. president obama first invited romney on election night when romney called to concede and the romney adviser said it is very gracious and the right thing to do. no aides will be present at today's meeting. the two will speak one on one. even though the two parties are saying they are willing to reach across the aisle during fiscal cliff negotiations, we're not seeing much in terms of a deal. the latest roadblock is the cost of federal retirement programs. republicans are staying is up to the president to cut back on medicare medicaid and social security but democrats want entitlement programs completely off the table. today, the white house is sending treasury secretary timothy geithner and congressional negotiator rob neighbor to capitol hill where they will lay out their proposal with speaker boehner. more bill press is coming up after the break. as always, we're live in our chat room and would love to see you there. current.com/billpress. we're rig
that the republicans passed two bills that take care of the fiscal cliff. they extend of the tax cuts and a change the sequestration. the democrats hammer them on that each time. they are not going to give the democrats a chance to hammer them once again. host: our democrats putting deductions and loopholes and specifically on the table? guest: yes, the president has been very specific. he has said, first things first, let's let the high end tax cuts expire and lock in these trillion dollars savings. then he says on deductions, let's cap the major ones, the mortgage interest, the charitable, the state allen local -- and local. the banker's comments of getting 35% subsidy on the mortgage, he will get 20%. -- 28%. and then there are tax cuts in medicare, but they are reasonable. if you do not do these tax deductions and you do not do the high end incumbent bush tax cuts, it gets in devastated. the ryan budget was very back loaded. and it was not in the first 10 years. there are trade-offs. host: maverick writes in and said, i see a problem giving tax -- a problem with giving tax credits for hiring u
the moniker of fiscal cliff i think is going to wind up hurting republicans. because it sounds so scary. even though there is not going to be any immediate fiery death, if things don't happen. and i think the president kind of looks better going into this, i think they know that they say in game of chicken, he who cares the least wins. and i think it's the white house who kind of just is going to let the republicans play this out. however they want. and there's also a chance that boehner will have more ability to make a deal after the new congress gets sworn in. this all might be kind of just like posturing. until boehner can sit down with his new congress. i'm not really sure, i am not particularly worried about the fiery crash. something will happen. i do think the white house will probably have the most cards to play when it comes to that. >> karen, anna marie brought up speaker boehner. "meet the press" moderator david gregory said his take is that president obama issued the tough first offer to give the speaker some room, to object strenuously and fight for some concessions. do you agree
with republicans to get something done on the fiscal cliff. >> dan lothian, thank you. >>> two lucky ticket holders beat the odds and they will split the record $588 million powerball jackpot. one ticket was sold in arizona. the other many missouri. the winning numbers are 5, 16, 22, 23, 29, and the powerball is 6. victor blackwell is in atlanta. one person on facebook yesterday said to me it's better to burn the ticket, at least you get heat from it. for two people at least it's good they didn't burn it. >> it's 29 degrees out here, i wish i had the ticket i bought so i could get some heat. this morning i rolled over to determine if i was in the city where at least the winning ticket was sold. i found out i wasn't. million also have that moment this morning. so many people put their $2 down on the counter to win the largest powerball jackpot ever at $588 million. the second largest lottery jackpot, that was 656 million last march. this is happening because powerball made a move at the beginning of this year, increasing the ticket price from $1 to $2, which doubled the starting jackpot from 20 mill
. >> this weekend you can talk with oklahoma senator about the fiscal cliff and the future of the republican party. the senator has written several books and reports including his latest the debt bomb. join our conversation live sunday at noon eastern an c-span2. >> vice president biden shop t at the opening of the first costco warehouse in the nation's capitol. he also made remarks about the fiscal cliff and middle class tax cuts. >> i went to get my wife's card and she said no, you get your own. [inaudible conversation] >> i know what i am looking for. [inaudible conversation] >> vice-president, what are you shopping for? >> my wife is starting a thing called book buddies for women's shelters and daycare centers. i am buying a bunch of books for the book buddies back in delaware. >> how are you choosing your books? >> based on some things i know my grand kids like. will i come to that side? i'm going to come around that way. in this store.s in this storfos take 2200 books out of their income next year. [inauible conversation] >> how are you? >> i'm fine. thank you. [inaudible conversation] hey,
. >> thank you. following the latest on the fiscal cliff fiasco. congress is facing the issue of the fiscal cliff and other tough economic decisions. why did just today republican leadership cancel tomorrow's session allowing the house to leave town with three days left on the legislative calendar? i'll talk with two democratic members of congress just and allyson schwartz and john yarmuth. i'll talk to roger simon. he has a scathing new column out on republicans. roger says, quote, listen to this, republicans have found their stab in the back. it was the minorities what done them in. that's what he wrote. we'll ask him about it. ♪ i'd like to thank eating right, whole grain, multigrain cheerios! mom, are those my jeans? [ female announcer ] people who choose more whole grain tend to weigh less than those who don't. multigrain cheerios stop! stop! stop! come back here! humans -- we are beautifully imperfect creatures living in an imperfect world. that's why liberty mutual insurance has your back with great ideas like our optional better car replacement. if your car is totaled, we give you
the looming fiscal cliff. there are fresh signs that republicans may be in disagreement over the best way to avoid tax increases and spending cuts. oklahoma congressman tom cole says instead of risking a tax increase on everybody it would be better to let tax increases for the top 2% of earners go up. >> if congress does nothing, every family in america will see their taxes automatically go up at the beginning of next year. >> there has been no serious discussion by the white house on entitlements, medicare and medicaid. >> the president says he is still confident that a deal can be reached before christmas. and of course, the cliff is december 31st. >> exactly. i mean pressure is on here. the closer we get to the holidays, you know, the harder this thing becomes. i think one of the houses of congress goes on break december 14th. so i think the house. if you really look at the calendar here. deadline is tight and the president is trying to drum up public support here. now he is encouraging in the age of social media, twitter, folks get on twitter, use hash tag #my2k, the average family wo
it is with these republicans. >> it's safer if you're on the progressive end of the political spectrum to go over the fiscal cliff than it is to agree to some of the things they're talking about. >> ruth, where do you stand, deal or no deal? >> not who deal, but who are more pessimistic. the clock is really ticking. about ten legislative days left in the year. outlines are there but the willingness to do it and the ability to get it done in time, i'm more disappointed than i thought i would be at this point. on the other hand, this is the moment of posturing. so it could all come together at the last moment. a christmas present. >> there has been plenty of that. tim geithner, he's going out to talk to these leaders. what does he say, for example, in these meetings with reed and t reid and the other leaders? >> opening line is it's dangerous to get over the cliff so let's get there. my reporters tell me there are contours to a deal. the senate democrats moving a little on entitlements. a day after dick durbin number two democrat said we shouldn't talk about entitlements in the fiscal cliff deal. i'm hearing
the fiscal cliff. this included chris van hollen. also, senators mark warner and bob corker, a republican from tennessee. this is one hour. >> good morning. i'm the head of bloomberg government. thank you for joining us today, and thank you to deloitte for partnering with us in this event. when we launched bloomberg government just about two years ago, we had the aspiration of creating a one-stop shop, with data, tools, news, and analysis to help government affairs and government sales professionals make better and faster decisions. we went a long way toward achieving that aspiration. a big part of it is conversations on the important issues that face our nation today, particularly at the intersection of business and government. today's discussion on the fiscal cliff clearly meets that. we are honored to have such a thoughtful panel. senator mark warner, senator bob corker, congressman chris van hollen, governor tim pawlenty, who is currently president and ceo of the financial services roundtable. moderating our discussion today is al hunt. we always love having al over here. he really pu
29 days until the country reaches the so-called fiscal cliff. and only 19 of those are business days. as yet there's been no counteroffer from the gop but today "the wall street journal" advises republicans to say the course writing given the political difficulty of reforming entitlements republicans are right to try get mr. obama's fingerprints on a deal this year. if mr. obama won't agree to these demin muss reforms republicans should let mr. obama own the debt crisis he has done so much to create. conservative commentator bill crystal says they're making a dangerous gamble. >> republicans are at risk in my view now of looking like they're defending, keeping the current tax rates for the wealthy. end of the day president obama is selling a simple message, i want to keep taxes low for middle-class americans and republicans look like -- i'm worried are in the position offiof ing -- looking as fe the don't care about middle class. >> joining us is the sage of capitol hill, boat shoe enthusiast and celebrity doppelganger, nbc's luke russert. >> good day. happy monday. >> thank you, luk
one. the fiscal cliff. dissension within the ranks. it seems not recall republican lawmakers and conservative groufs are in lockstep with john boehner. earlier i spoke with one gop house member who hasn't been on the same wave length as the speaker recently. he's in senior leadership. here's what deputy whip congressman tom cole told me about those who in the party say taxes shouldn't be on the table. >> for those who say we're putting revenue on the table, the american people did that when they lented, you know, the president and a democratic senate again. again, they have to agree to a deal or tax rates on everybody go up. i think we shouldn't -- we should do everything we can to avoid that for as many people as we possibly can. >> "outfront" tonight, grover norquist, whose anti tax pledge signed by most sitting republican lawmakers on capitol hill has been a major point of contention in this debate. grover, let me start by asking you something congressman tom cole said. he said it's the american people who spoke. this was central to the president's plan, right? raise taxes
congressional leaders put much of their energy on the ongoing fiscal cliff negotiations. oklahoma representative tom cole who broke ranks with republicans by embracing president obama's plan to raise taxes on the wealthy stuck to his guns this morning. >> if we can give the american people an early christmas present, if they can listen to the debate instead of be worried that their own taxes are going to go up, i think that actually strengthens our hand. i haven't changed my mind. i'm not going to come out here and be disingenuous to people. i think it would be a step in the right direction. >> today john boehner expressed disappointment at where the negotiations stand. as our first read team points out, by siding with the white house tom cole may be helping boehner get the deal he wants. joining me now, political editor mark murray. why do you think tom cole has strengthened the speaker's position, negotiating position he goes in with? >> it has given john boehner some cover. you now have a conservativconse albeit establishment member of the house republican party who is essentially going to th
the fiscal cliff. it included $1.6 trillion in new revenue from tax hikes on the rich. the white house is giving $400 billion in savings from medicare and entitlements. there's also a request for at least $50 billion in infrastructure spending, mortgage relief, and other stimulus measures. none of this is a surprise to the republicans. this is what president obama campaigned on. it's also what republicans have been presented behind closed doors for weeks. "politico" reported on the deal taking shape behind the scenes. it includes most of the same details the white house has in its proposal. according to "politico" house republican leaders recognize president obama holds the high cards and the public is likely to blame republicans if negotiations blow up and the new year begins with a fiscal disaster. the facts didn't stop speaker boehner from claiming the white house is holding up negotiations. >> majority leader and i just had a meeting with the treasury secretary. it was frank, and it was direct. i was hopeful we'd see a specific plan for cutting spending. >> the treasury secretary's
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. let's get to the fiscal cliff. the president set the deal, over the next decade. are there specific ways of reaching that figure that both of you might agree on? >> well, you know, i think one compromise i agree with the democrats on, we need to cut the military spending. so i think the compromise, the conservatives like myself that think the national defense is important, should compromise on the military spending, and liberals should compromise on the welfare. >> and both sides are going to have to compromise on this, beyond defense spending is there any other compromise that you could see you supporting? >> well, it mostly has to be to me on the spending side. we used to spend about 20% of gdp, we're now spending 25% of gdp. so federal spending has gone up in an alarming rate in the last four years. and when people come to me and say oh, we just have to raise taxes on rich people. one, there is not enough money. and two, you often find when you raise rates you get less revenue. and sometimes you find when you lower rates you get more revenue. >> what do you make of your fellow re
republicans in congress if you go over the fiscal cliff. how long can you have that hard line on those making 250 and above. >> america faces a very serious problem and our goal is to make sure it gets solved. we have a debt problem that is out of control. we have got to cut spending and i believe it is appropriate to put revenues on the table. the receive news we are putting on the table are going to come from, guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes and have the same people pay more -- more of their money to the federal government without raising the tax rates which we believe will harm our economy. \[inaudible question] >> i think our members understand the seriousness of the situation that our country faces. trillion dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. $16 trillion of debt on the books. every man, woman and child owing the american government $50,000 and that number is increasing every single year. as a result, our members understand that we've got to solve the problem, and we will. >> the house is going to leave today with two days left in the
over the fiscal cliff, this benefits him. the public will blame the republicans. okay. i suppose it's entirely possible. in fact, it's probable of that category. but does obama really want to start the second term going into recession again? the interesting thing, with this offer on the table, sequestration and the expiration of bush tax cuts for everyone is the best option for republicans right now. but as least under that, you can dispel this notion -- the biggest obstacle is this attitude of the public that we can solve the problem of the debt, we can solve the problem of entitlements just by raising taxes on the rich a little bit. it's fundamentally not true. but my attitude to say all right, fine, let's go with that. let's even go with tax increases for everybody. even that bottom bracket going up from 10% to 15%. let the bush tax cuts -- if they must expire, let them expire for everybody. and then we'll see how far tax increases can take us in dealing with these problems. and the answer is not that far at all. >> not that far at all. richard wolffe, you've been sitting here pa
the other side of this fiscal cliff negotiations and those are cuts. bowles told reporters yesterday it seemed as though republicans were clear there's a need for revenue and democrats need to recognize the need for entitlement reform. what exactly do you think, if you can peer into your crystal ball, what's exactly on the table here. you know, are we going to get -- >> i can't see the crystal ball. it's in the studio. >> are we going to get significant entitlement reform or are we probably going to be left with at best maybe raising the retirement age for social security or raising the eligibility age for medicare? >> you know, i'd be very surprised to see social security be a part of the discussion here. >> at all? >> because it's not really kind of a huge driver of the deficit we're talking about right now. it's really the health care programs. but i think if you just pull back and make it really simple for a second, what you see are the democrats are saying, wait a second. increasing taxes a little bit on the rich or significantly on the rich, however you want to look at it, is p
of action in washington on the fiscal cliff talk. >> we're going to begin there. signs, perhaps, of a potential compromise there to avoid the so called fiscal cliff that would raise taxes on a typical american family by some $2,200. republican congressman tom cole, of oklahoma, is urging republicans to accept president obama's deal and allow the bush-era tax cuts on the wealthy to expire for now. so tax cuts for the middle class can stay in effect. but house speaker john boehner remains opposed, saying a tax hike on the wealthy will hurt the economy. >>> today, president obama is hosting mitt romney at the white house for a private lunch. after the election, the president promised to reach out to romney for his ideas. >>> and overseas, the u.s. could be getting more involved in the civil war in syria. "the new york times" is reporting the obama administration is considering options, including arming the rebel fighters there who have made progress in recent days in battling bashar al assad's forces. >>> and more trouble for president obama's expected nominee for secretary of stat
. for the top 1%. i just don't see any changes from the fiscal cliff that is coming up. guest: i think there are big changes coming up. i think the president has drawn a line in the sand and let republicans know he has no intention of allowing the tax rates for the wealthiest americans to be extended again. they were extended in 2010, but i feel there is a new resolve on the part of the white house to not let that happen again. i'm not sure if all the rates will be increased as much as the president would like. it could be that they get bumped up by a point or two, instead of the 45 that he wants to increase them by. -- four or five that he wants to increase them by. if nothing changes, then tax rates go up for everybody, which would be a very big change, but i do not think that is going to happen. host: here is a tweet. christian churches are not the only ones affected by deductions. holiday donations, how is that factoring into the fiscal cliff? is there anything going on that's give them more of an argument? are they coming to washington like everyone else to have their point of vie
-called fiscal cliff. the president has set a goal. $4 trillion in debt reduction over the next decade. are there any specific ways of reaching that figure that both of you might agree on? >> well, you know, one compromise i can agree with democrats on, we need to cut military spending. so i think the compromise is conservatives like myself who think national defense is very important should compromise on military spending and liberals should compromise on entitlements and social welfare spending, that compromise should get to spending cuts. >> here is the question, though. both sides are going to have to compromise, beyond defense spending, any other compromise you could see you supporting? >> mostly has to be to me on the spending side. we used to spend about 20% of gdp. now spending 25% of gdp. federal spending has gone up at an alarming rate in the last four years. people come to me and said say we have to raise taxes on rich people. one there, is not enough money. two, when you raise rates, you get less revenue. sometimes you find when you lower rates, you get more revenue. >> wha
to make. this fiscal cliff argument right now that we're facing is a good opportunity to begin that conversation. you're already seeing it, joe, with some republicans out there, bill kristol and others saying oh, yeah, i guess we can begin to look at putting that top rate higher for those higher income earners simply to begin to make the argument to the middle class and the poor that we stand more with them than with those at the other end of the spectrum. >> so steve rattner, explain the math to me because i'm not a big fan of raising the top rate to 39.6%. in fact, i hate that idea for, you know, small business owners that make $250,000, $300,000, $350,000. explain the math about the difference between going after the millionaires, raising the capital gains rate a little bit, getting rid of this carried interest exception. exemption. all these things that you've been talking about. what is the math of it? can we get to $1.2 trillion without raising that top marginal rate that i think catches the small business owner more than the billionaire? >> the math is a little tough to
, or fiscal cliff 1.0. tax cuts were about to expire. the democrats did not want to extend all of the tax cuts. harry reid was trying to create an impression that it was the time that republicans were obstructing the process, obstructing what the democrats wanted to do. what he was trying to do was set the agenda and create an environment so he could win politically. he set up after this quotation a rare weekend session in the senate where he had two votes . no republican amendments were allowed, and he showed republicans were obstructionists and would not go along with what he thought was good for the country. this was a ploy designed to shift attention from the democrats' ability to go along with what republicans wanted to do to republican saying they did not want to do what democrats wanted to do. he was seeking to control the agenda. that is the real issue here. there are times when minorities of both parties will obstruct the majority because they need or want to. the real issue in the debate today is one of agenda control. -- we have a way to think about this. in political science, if yo
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